tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post1995930232032040133..comments2024-03-08T23:57:17.923+02:00Comments on Achas L'Maala V'Sheva L'Matta: Shidduchim Part III - Is the Yeshiva World Ready for Web Cam Dating?Yechezkel Hirshmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-81045912592031313462009-10-22T09:58:54.247+02:002009-10-22T09:58:54.247+02:00I think part of the problem is that current webcam...I think part of the problem is that current webcam technology is just not good enough yet. There is no doubt in my mind that a $50 webcam will make this a very unpleasant experience. <br /><br />Assuming both sides had proper equipment over dedicated high speed internet lines with dedicated video servers, there may be a chance. One of the biggest problems is that each person is looking at the screen and not at the cam, so it feels like you are watching the other person, not talking to the other person. <br /><br />A proper setup would be a significant size screen (most likely in the 40 - 50" range) and and professional camera equipment....<br /><br />From what I understand (and I work in the technology field), $25 per session will unlikely cover the cost, and there will be a requirement for both sides to have the same high quality equipment. The gelt benefit is unlikely, but other benefits should be had. <br /><br />If done properly, the experience can be nearly as good as a real date, and of course part of the package could be that the guy pays for the date for both sides, and a drink is included too... <br /><br />This can also be run as a franchise kind of thing - The maind company creates the product and setup, and anyone can open their own Virtual shidduch shop on their own using the preconceived setup, and charge admission. - The reality is that only places with significant amounts of daters would be able to pay their bills - which brings me to another idea - the actual cost of equipment and setup would probably be in the range of $1000 - 3000 - Anyone in any city would be able to purchase it and it can be run on a gmach basis - admission is charged until the point where equipment is paid for. <br /><br />ok I'll stop blabbing now, but I think this requires more polished technique tan $50 webcams if this ever will have any chance of materializingBzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07170828308200224157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-34314432791386958672008-12-03T01:06:00.000+02:002008-12-03T01:06:00.000+02:00I believe it will be hard, if not impossible to 'g...I believe it will be hard, if not impossible to 'get to know' someone on a webcam. It is difficult to be intuitive when you can't see the 'whole person' - all the mannerisms etc. And focusing on a computer screen for three hours...will likely cause headaches (and maybe heartaches too).<BR/>However, your points re economic and other advantages are all valid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-29268603700384315182008-12-02T16:40:00.000+02:002008-12-02T16:40:00.000+02:00It'll be a mess guys will dump girls they may have...<I>It'll be a mess guys will dump girls they may have married and date girls who look and act nothing like they did on the cam.</I><BR/><BR/>How genuinely do people act on a first or second real date? People can act as artificially on a real date as in front of a cam!<BR/>I can easily rephrase your comment by replacing the word "cam"with the word "date".<BR/><BR/>But I think that the cam-meeting experience will make a first date even more wooden and stiff than it already is live. <BR/>I don't think people will enjoy using it despite all its advantages on paper. <BR/>If this idea does catch on, I think people will dread it more than live dates and it will just become a passing fad...Freelance Kiruv Maniac (Mr. Hyde)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10298176204317506218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-16319920088641450162008-12-02T15:24:00.000+02:002008-12-02T15:24:00.000+02:00I love it. It's going to be great. The guys are ...I love it. It's going to be great. The guys are going to waste even more time. They are going to "weed" girls out through a webcam which will not give a true presentation of how a girl looks so it won't be any better than a phone. It'll be a mess guys will dump girls they may have married and date girls who look and act nothing like they did on the cam. <BR/><BR/>Have you ever watched a movie and then seen the actress in person? Do you think that movie gave a true representation of the person?<BR/><BR/>Why not have the mothers meet the girls a lot of them do it. I think it's a terrible idea but it's a weeding process like anythign else.Patricia Battonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10890910280212033067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-50388203393069698642008-12-02T13:13:00.000+02:002008-12-02T13:13:00.000+02:00>> How is this any better than the old fash...>> <I> How is this any better than the old fashioned phone? Ok, you want a phone and a picture? No problem... </I><BR/><BR/>Currently, nobody (in Yeshiva circles ,at least, and I don't think in any circles) considers an initial "old fashioned" phone conversation as the embodiment of a "date". If I am studying in Lakewood and somebody wants me to meet a girl located in, let's say, Chicago or even as close as Baltimore, I do not have much incentive to travel to these places on a blind date. I would also not likely conduct dates just using old fashioned non-video telephone communication. An audio-only encounter does not even simulate a real date but a video encounter does. <BR/><BR/>>> <I> ...but I can't for the life of me understand what's so great about webcam dating.</I><BR/><BR/>Your blogger name suggests that you are female. Traditionally, females are not concerned about the cost of dating sine they do not foot the bill. Likewise, they do not decide who to date based on location, since the boy traditionally comes to them. They also do not figure travel time into dates and it's toll on the daily work or learning schedule. Also, although physical appearance is important to both genders, it is much more of a crucial deal breaking aspect from the male perspective.<BR/> <BR/>Because of this, I don't expect all women to be able to understand for the life of them what is so good about it. <BR/><BR/>That is why I wrote, "Such a plan will not come without resistance. Especially from the female side of the mechitza,..."<BR/><BR/>Hatzlacha <BR/><BR/><BR/>YHYechezkel Hirshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-60307065795660024712008-12-02T12:43:00.000+02:002008-12-02T12:43:00.000+02:00>>Why? (I have no problem answering, just cu...>><I>Why? (I have no problem answering, just curious as to reason for the question)</I><BR/><BR/>It is natural curiosity more than anything else. If you ever did read my book and got to page 252, I discuss the value of "Getting to know your customer". I secretly wish I could send out a basic "vital statistics" questionnaire to all of my readers, though it is obviously quite impractical. I am sorry for "picking" on you :-) but you have distinguished yourself as one of my most regular customers (which I appreciate). <BR/><BR/>I asked the question now because when talking about the Jewish shidduch scene, marrieds and singles invariably view it from different perspectives. I just wanted a better picture as to where you are "coming from". <BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I have been questioning my own judgement (an exceedingly rare phenomenon) if I should have asked this question. Do not feel obligated.<BR/><BR/>Kol Tuv,<BR/><BR/>YechezkelYechezkel Hirshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-30784025801471914112008-12-01T18:21:00.000+02:002008-12-01T18:21:00.000+02:00It can be claimed that a web cam image does not do...<I>It can be claimed that a web cam image does not do justice to the natural chen of people who may not be so photogenic. Of course, this can work both ways – perhaps for some people, a web cam image will hide some blemishes. Also, the parties can (and should) work on an assumption that in real face to face –should it reach that stage – the other person probably looks even better.</I><BR/><BR/>How is this any better than the old fashioned phone? Ok, you want a phone <I>and</I> a picture? No problem but I can't for the life of me understand what's so great about webcam dating.<BR/><BR/>Nothing you said here adds to what we already have and if you want cheap, making sure we all use the same cell company makes it free!Patricia Battonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10890910280212033067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-61224959860400518662008-12-01T15:36:00.000+02:002008-12-01T15:36:00.000+02:00If you are honestly interested I can get you conta...If you are honestly interested I can get you contact information for those responsible for both the website and the program.<BR/><BR/><I>If there are no askanim willing to undertake such a project there is nothing to discuss.</I><BR/><BR/>??? <BR/><BR/><I>BTW, are you married?</I><BR/><BR/>Why? (I have no problem answering, just curious as to reason for the question)Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-23704526863777824302008-11-27T21:24:00.000+02:002008-11-27T21:24:00.000+02:00The Treife Internet: It means a more formal accept...<I>The Treife Internet: It means a more formal acceptance of Internet usage within the Torah community. This is a bitter pill to swallow. Nevertheless, most of us, including anybody who is reading this post on-line, are already there.</I><BR/><BR/>That point is completly invalid.It's true that I need internet access at work, but there is no way I would want my son in Yeshiva to have internet access.According to him even though blackberries etc. are easy to come by, no serious bocher he knows has internet access in BMG.Lets keep it that way.Berelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11838242681477978356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-71333634034544129822008-11-27T19:52:00.000+02:002008-11-27T19:52:00.000+02:00Which askanim have you contacted?Which askanim have you contacted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-45443865426659558712008-11-27T14:06:00.000+02:002008-11-27T14:06:00.000+02:00>> already exists...it's called Shidduch Vis...>><I> already exists...it's called Shidduch Vision</I><BR/><BR/>Firstly, thank you very much for bringing this to my attention. As I wrote at the end of my post, I didn't expect to be the only person to suggest this.<BR/><BR/>I checked up the web site. It is obviously a fledgling startup. It offers very little informational material. Nothing as to where it is based, when it was founded, who is running it, how many people on staff, nor a word about any Rabbinical endorsements or affiliations with recognized organizations.<BR/><BR/>Currently, the Shidduch Vision program does not seem to be a reality, just a plan. <BR/><BR/>All in all, it is nothing more than a ghost web site.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I am not talking about merely using this technology as an alternative dating method. I am talking about the chareidi /Yeshiva world implementing it as a standard. <BR/><BR/>>><I> I assume of course that you have run this idea past daas torah.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't see Rabbi Eidensohn too often as we live at opposite ends of Har Nof. I have only had 2 conversations with him to date. One was about Slifkin and the other was about self-publishing books.<BR/><BR/>More seriously, I am not an askan and from my perch here in Jerusalem I am not in a good position to implement this, only to advocate it. I will leave it to the askanim to deal with the powers that be. If there are no askanim willing to undertake such a project there is nothing to discuss. <BR/><BR/>BTW, are you married?<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>ChezkelYechezkel Hirshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-54045959004407149512008-11-26T21:39:00.000+02:002008-11-26T21:39:00.000+02:00I assume of course that you have run this idea pas...I assume of course that you have run this idea past daas torah.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-8803249438667824812008-11-26T21:30:00.000+02:002008-11-26T21:30:00.000+02:00already exists...it's called Shidduch Visionsee he...already exists...it's called Shidduch Vision<BR/><BR/>see here www.makeashidduch.orgGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.com