tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post7928006500355578839..comments2024-03-08T23:57:17.923+02:00Comments on Achas L'Maala V'Sheva L'Matta: Ohver L'AsiyasanYechezkel Hirshmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-3424261651187936262010-12-13T16:10:42.220+02:002010-12-13T16:10:42.220+02:00First, over la'asiyasan isn't me'akev,...First, over la'asiyasan isn't me'akev, and in fact we sometimes pasken backwards lechatchila, e.g. some deios for YomTov candles. If we pasken that way lechatchila when there's a reason to, it can't be that over la'asiyasan is me'akev bedi'eved.<br /><br />But second, the whole question appears wrong, because anyone who lives in the USA knows that their kavana was specifically NOT for kiddushin, but rather for an engagement in the modern sense of the word, and the act that was done was nikar to all as an act of modern proposal and NOT nesina le'shem kiddushin.Bruce Krulwichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16506129141459374630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-20554907142757243452010-11-22T13:42:33.883+02:002010-11-22T13:42:33.883+02:00What are the nature of the brachos you are talking...What are the nature of the brachos you are talking about? The second bracha of Channuka is not a birchat hamitzva but one of hodaya (as is shechianu on the first night) Thus, even the Mishna Berura holds that one recites it even if one only remembers to make brachos after completing the lighting in its entirety.<br /><br />The nature of the birchat eirusin is a matter of controversy among the posekim. It may be a bircat hamitzvah (it sounds like one) but if so it would seem to be on the issurei arayos that come with eirusin which would make it a bircat hamitzva on lavin (see Aruch Hashulchan's discussion)Mike S.noreply@blogger.com