tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post8515713166754166992..comments2024-03-08T23:57:17.923+02:00Comments on Achas L'Maala V'Sheva L'Matta: We Are Not Judging Him, We Are Judging You...Yechezkel Hirshmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-403489287730953102016-02-07T10:47:46.421+02:002016-02-07T10:47:46.421+02:00One more instance of the haredi "blame the vi...One more instance of the haredi "blame the victim, especially if she's a woman" mentality. If tragedy strikes a family, it's because the mother washes her floors with water that does not have a rabbinical kosher hechsher, or maybe the neighbor's wife let two hairs stick out from under her sheitel. The thugs who attacked Ms. Shear did nothing wrong of course, only the person who complains is guilty. One day you haredim won't be getting any more bucketfuls of money to finance your parasitic lifestyle, and you will have to join the rest of us on Planet Earth.Rabbi Fleishignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-90305659225379744472010-04-19T16:33:35.473+03:002010-04-19T16:33:35.473+03:00this comment and your book are not only filled wit...this comment and your book are not only filled with faulty logic, but are dripping with hate and anger. please get help.chaim steinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-14216063416424257052009-02-07T23:05:00.001+02:002009-02-07T23:05:00.001+02:00Wow, talk about creating G-d in your own image!!!!...Wow, talk about creating G-d in your own image!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>You turned Hashem into a pretentious, sarcastic Haredi psychopath.<BR/><BR/>Congradulations, Yechezkel. You are now officially a psychotic Haredi lunatic.<BR/><BR/>I feel bad for you and weep for the future of the Jewish people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-60305187194750376242009-02-07T23:05:00.000+02:002009-02-07T23:05:00.000+02:00Wow, talk about creating G-d in your own image!!!!...Wow, talk about creating G-d in your own image!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>You turned Hashem into a pretentious, sarcastic Haredi psychopath.<BR/><BR/>Congradulations, Yechezkel. You are now officially a psychotic Haredi lunatic.<BR/><BR/>I feel bad for you and weep for the future of the Jewish people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-36492640225198052362008-09-10T20:55:00.000+03:002008-09-10T20:55:00.000+03:00For argument's sake, let us say that 'men and wome...For argument's sake, let us say that 'men and women should be separate at all times.' If so, a woman should have the same right as a man, to sit anywhere she wants on a bus which is not marked as Hareidi; if she is sitting in the front, it is incumbent upon the <I>man</I> to move elsewhere, so as to avoid being near her. <I>He</I> is the one who needs to avert his eyes; <I>she</I> does not have to move.<BR/>The onus is on the man, NOT the woman.<BR/>I agee with Shaul Behr in his comment, you are: <I>elevating chumros to becoming halocho</I> (except that I would have spelled it <I>halacha</I>.)<BR/>לאן הגענו...Lady-Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04992305067771885711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-38725095963931643832008-08-11T23:27:00.000+03:002008-08-11T23:27:00.000+03:00Mr. Hirshman-I would be more careful with how I se...Mr. Hirshman-<BR/><BR/>I would be more careful with how I set the rules at the pearly gates when talking about another's time before the Throne of Glory lest they be the very terms under which you are questioned at your appointed time.<BR/><BR/>As an aside...to say that "I am not dramatizing what may happen. I am dramatizing what I, and anybody else who believes in Maimonides 13 principles of faith, knows will happen:", is the height of arrogance, ignorance and quite possibly the greatest example of azus panim toward the Ribbono Shel Olam that I have seen in quite some time (and I have, unfortunately, seen alot).Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-835069954274901442008-08-11T23:13:00.000+03:002008-08-11T23:13:00.000+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-83990075919843884382008-08-11T22:57:00.000+03:002008-08-11T22:57:00.000+03:00Good one, wolfy. Yechezkel, what if someone were t...Good one, wolfy. Yechezkel, what if someone were to assault a woman for riding on the NY subway? After all, she is contributing towards the mingling of the sexes?<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, is it halachically forbidden for a woman to sit up front on a bus? Absolutely not. Is it halachically forbidden to assault someone? Absolutely yes.<BR/><BR/>This entire post was sickening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-86959687477145345422008-08-11T17:42:00.000+03:002008-08-11T17:42:00.000+03:00Yechezkel,Are you also asserting that HKBH will ta...Yechezkel,<BR/><BR/>Are you also asserting that HKBH will take every Jew who rides the subways and busses in New York and every other city in the world where there are no official Mehadrin buses to task for riding in a mixed environment? After all, perhaps K'doshim Tihiyu means that we shouldn't take jobs that require us to take the subways. Or perhaps we should walk for hours per day to our jobs.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-1175919185918688912008-08-11T00:03:00.000+03:002008-08-11T00:03:00.000+03:00>Ms. Shear, we are not judging them at this tim...>Ms. Shear, we are not judging them at this time, we are judging you.<BR/><BR/>But its only a bus. And it wasn’t one of those Mehadrin buses either.<BR/><BR/>I wonder. When one of the boys abused by his rebbe shows up, will your Heavenly tribunal challenge him the same way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-7643790626624715272008-08-08T21:35:00.000+03:002008-08-08T21:35:00.000+03:00This post is disgusting - I agree with anonymous, ...This post is disgusting - I agree with anonymous, it oozes condescension and presumptuousness. <BR/><BR/>But to discuss a few specific points, let me paraphrase what you said.<BR/><BR/>An answer to Rosa Parks:<BR/><BR/>Why should one Jew be able to sit wherever she wants and another Jew needs to sit in the back of the bus? But you were entitled to sit where any other black person was entitled to sit. In my eyes, all blacks are created equal. Nobody was discriminating against you. Any other black would have been ushered to the back if she sat where you sat except that most of them do not need to be told.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-23851920264524915682008-08-08T13:20:00.000+03:002008-08-08T13:20:00.000+03:00In this little drama, what place does Yechezkel oc...In this little drama, what place does Yechezkel occupy: perhaps the Rambam? one of the ministering angels? G-d? <BR/><BR/>The condescension and presumptuousness just ooze from this piece. When I showed this to my wife, she said the tone reminded of her of a Baptist Minister... That is, this little drama may represent Yechezkel's version of the "charedi" approach, but it doesn't sound very Jewish...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-68560545406916846812008-08-06T23:33:00.001+03:002008-08-06T23:33:00.001+03:00m is me. sorry.m is me. sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-51040718736411534812008-08-06T23:33:00.000+03:002008-08-06T23:33:00.000+03:00I meant sources for the reason for the seperate se...I meant sources for the reason for the seperate seatring on the buses, not that the incident is true or not or what she might feel about her crusade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-4943057667775542592008-08-06T20:50:00.000+03:002008-08-06T20:50:00.000+03:00Still on the net, Meishiv? ;)based on specific cit...Still on the net, Meishiv? ;)<BR/><I>based on specific citations.</I><BR/>well, that's the $100,000 question, isn't it? What citations?<BR/><BR/>Until I have information confirming the assertion of Yechezkel that I pointed out above about Mrs. Shear davar yaduah, I am forced as a frum yid to be <I>dan lekav schus</I> that it's lashon hara I can't believe, even if Meishiv does say it has unnamed sources.Baruchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08051421355654178857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-12770149292992895162008-08-06T19:03:00.000+03:002008-08-06T19:03:00.000+03:00Excellent post. Of course everything is based on ...Excellent post. Of course everything is based on specific citations.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and to Shaul- The thugs are not portryed as the good guys, only as the shelichim to send a message. Whenever calamity befalls our people, we look at it as a message to do teshuva. So we can say Hitler,ym"s, was also a messenger of HAshem. But noone would say he was the good guy. As was stated "We prefer to call it, “accumulating merit by those who are worthy, and accumulating liabilities by those who are liable” (Shabbos 32a).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-64970365717792681162008-08-06T17:49:00.000+03:002008-08-06T17:49:00.000+03:00Was the following called for?Well, did I not succe...Was the following called for?<BR/><I>Well, did I not succeed?...I am as the saintly Isaac. I have earned a place near the Throne of Glory with my blood. Now, if you don’t mind, will you please show me to my…</I><BR/>Here you describe an alleged attribute of Mrs. Shear: she thinks she "earned a place near the Throne of Glory..." even though she didn't. Out of curiosity, what evidence do you have to make such an assertion davar yaduah? If you don't have evidence, isn't that assertion lashon hara?<BR/><BR/>In the words of R' Hirsch: "Let the anonymous gnats buzz happily in the sunny meadows. I certainly do not want to spoil their pleasure."Baruchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08051421355654178857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-71291841817928378152008-08-06T17:32:00.000+03:002008-08-06T17:32:00.000+03:00Looks like you had fun writing this.The constant t...Looks like you had fun writing this.<BR/><BR/>The constant theme is, "We are not judging him; we are judging you"... but I find that highly disingenuous. The purpose of this article is clearly to deflect from the guilt of the thugs who physically attacked Ms Shear, and place the burden of guilt on her: "She brought it on herself!"<BR/><BR/>And, indeed, are we not judging them? Looks like we are: "You chose to defy those who wanted to implement Kedoshim tihiyu." So the thugs are really the good guys who just wanted to implement "kedoshim tihyu", and Ms Shear is the perutza who provoked them into attacking her.<BR/><BR/>Whether or not Me Shear was right in playing Rosa Parks is a fair subject to debate, and I'm not arguing one way or another here. But the fact that you felt compelled to write a blog judging her is a clear indication of where your sympathies lie, and who you feel perpetrated the worse offence.<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, Yechezkel, you can't bring yourself to break party ranks and unequivocally condemn a vicious act of violence - simply because it was perpetrated by people from your "camp". All you can say is "there's nobody worth cheering for".<BR/><BR/>Now, besides this, I seriously do call into question your presumption that "kedoshim tihyu" obligates women to sit in the back of Egged buses. According to the Choshen Mishpat of the situation, she had every right to sit exactly where she chose, and had no need to justify herself to anybody, much less give up her seat. You have no right to judge somebody else on a middas chassidus, when al pi din she is 100% right.<BR/><BR/>That's a general problem with the Charedi approach - elevating chumros to becoming halocho, and expecting everyone to live up to a standard that HKBH does not expect.Shaul Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657787388625188732noreply@blogger.com