tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post8805962665003259211..comments2024-03-08T23:57:17.923+02:00Comments on Achas L'Maala V'Sheva L'Matta: Life of a Salesman - * A Must Read*Yechezkel Hirshmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-5436183924674532862009-06-15T18:47:38.678+03:002009-06-15T18:47:38.678+03:00>>but the tzaddik nistar was shown to be say...>><i>but the tzaddik nistar was shown to be saying falsehood. rosh chodesh sivan came and went, and people are still making aliyah. are you willing to state that the Tzadik Nistar was a lunatic?<br /></i><br /><br />The response that I initially wrote to this comment (which also addressed some of the other comments) exceeded the comment limit of 4096 charachters (I can't imagingine how it did that). So I made it into a new post. <br /><br />Please see my latest post : <br /><br /><a href="http://achaslmaala.blogspot.com/2009/06/my-previous-post-drew-numerous-comments.html" rel="nofollow"> The Lunatic Club</a><br /><br />ChezkelYechezkel Hirshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-16994142846694118552009-06-15T16:44:20.578+03:002009-06-15T16:44:20.578+03:00Listen, I can be just as nervous for klal yisroel ...Listen, I can be just as nervous for klal yisroel being concentrated in one tiny medinah, making it real easy to be annhilated, c"s. And I can be really nervous for yiden in Russia, Venezuela, France, Iran, Yemen and many other places. But, out of all the places in the world, I am much more sanguine about Jews who currently make their home in North America. By and large, the people who live here, in this time and place, are decent individuals. <br /><br />My advice is to keep pushing aliyah (a worthy aspiration), but peddling baseless hysteria can't and shouldn't be part of your shpiel. It's irresponsible, possibly disengenuous, and doesn't become a man of your erudition, emunah and intelligence.Arinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-32857464580127786172009-06-15T15:29:40.204+03:002009-06-15T15:29:40.204+03:00Yechezkel, achi, you really have gone off the deep...Yechezkel, achi, you really have gone off the deep end here. Conspiracy theories are for losers. It does you scant credit to associate your name with these angry, paranoid delusionals and their specious doomsday predictions. Yeah, yeah, I don't like Obama either, I also think he's bad for the Jews, bad for Israel, etc. But this New World Order bollox? Puh-leease.Shaul Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13657787388625188732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-42944998655978124832009-06-14T19:12:25.169+03:002009-06-14T19:12:25.169+03:00fkm:
good point. kol hakavod.
yechezkel:
"Th...fkm:<br />good point. kol hakavod.<br /><br />yechezkel:<br />"That's right. I am in cahoots with Fishman , Rav Amnon Yitzchok, the "Tzaddik nistars", the autistics, Chamish and all the other doomsday preachers and I am not afraid to admit it."<br />but the tzaddik nistar was shown to be saying falsehood. rosh chodesh sivan came and went, and people are still making aliyah. are you willing to state that the Tzadik Nistar was a lunatic?<br /><br />kt,<br />joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-36988030949478460042009-06-14T17:17:44.917+03:002009-06-14T17:17:44.917+03:00I wonder how many people throughout the decades ha...I wonder how many people throughout the decades have predicted the very same thing about America whenever it was going through hard times and extreme measures were taken by the government.Freelance Kiruv Maniac (Mr. Hyde)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10298176204317506218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-5661015727566334102009-06-13T00:46:32.635+03:002009-06-13T00:46:32.635+03:00>The short answer is: Principle #6 of the 13 pr...>The short answer is: Principle #6 of the 13 principles of Rambam (That's just about where you left off). Obviously, It would serve to elaborate on this but it would be a bit much for a comment<br /><br />You certainly should elaborate. Which prophecy states that there would be no more than two major calamities that befall the Jewish population in Yisroel. As far as calamities go for the Jewish people, Israel is no safer than the rest of the world.<br /><br />>Let me just say this. I feel that America's principles of democracy and free market economy are in danger<br /><br />I'm not sure why you're going off on this tangent in reply to my question. Barring the arrival of the Moshiach, I'd say that calamity is more likely to befall Israel than America. And barring the arrival of the Moshiach, if calamity does hit America, Israel won't be far behind.<br /><br />Have a great shabbos.<br /><br />Da'as Baal Habos.Baal Haboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861222390091673835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-59824894216354576062009-06-12T15:41:13.407+03:002009-06-12T15:41:13.407+03:00>>It happened in Eretz Yisroel, too. Twice. ...>><i>It happened in Eretz Yisroel, too. Twice. What makes you think it won't happen a third time?<br /></i><br /><<br />The short answer is: Principle #6 of the 13 principles of Rambam (That's just about where you left off).<br /><br />Obviously, It would serve to elaborate on this but it would be a bit much for a comment.<br /><br />Let me just say this. I feel that America's principles of democracy and free market economy are in danger. Obama has been preaching "redistribution of wealth" and that is the only promise he has been making good on.<br /><br />So far he has awarded 750b of your money (that's $2500) for every man woman and child in America to banks and big business. Why not just give it back to the people to increase spending and free market?<br /><br />There seems to be clear movement to impoverish the masses and eliminate the middle class, push most people down to lower class (peasantry) and maintain a small elite capitalistic upper class. There will also be a national police force. All property and movement will be registered and monitored.<br /><br />I don't see this as a doomsday theory. It is what is currently going on and being developed through current and proposed legislation.<br /><br />IOW, they are building an American iron curtain and it is on its way to becoming another police state just like Russia, China, and Nazi Germany.<br /><br />As for Eretz Yisrael, there never was democracy or free market here and it's already a police state ruled by the "Judiciary". There are no losses of freedom to worry about here. <br /><br />But at the end of the day, there you will be a citizen without rights and here you will be a citizen without rights and, for a Jew, it will be a lot safer to not have rights here (EY) than to not have rights there (US).<br /><br />Have a great shabbos,<br /><br />Chezkel the CluelessYechezkel Hirshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-7255203088531486562009-06-12T05:01:04.564+03:002009-06-12T05:01:04.564+03:00>"There is going to be a mahapecha - a cat...>"There is going to be a mahapecha - a cataclysm - in America that will force the Jews to leave. It happened in Egypt and it happened in Spain and it happened in Europe and, when G-d is ready, it is going to happen here as well<br /><br />It happened in Eretz Yisroel, too. Twice. What makes you think it won't happen a third time?Baal Haboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861222390091673835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-88546426153076162502009-06-12T05:01:03.647+03:002009-06-12T05:01:03.647+03:00>"There is going to be a mahapecha - a cat...>"There is going to be a mahapecha - a cataclysm - in America that will force the Jews to leave. It happened in Egypt and it happened in Spain and it happened in Europe and, when G-d is ready, it is going to happen here as well<br /><br />It happened in Eretz Yisroel, too. Twice. What makes you think it won't happen a third time?Baal Haboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861222390091673835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-41438060564572985452009-06-11T23:23:24.430+03:002009-06-11T23:23:24.430+03:00I am leery of 9/11 conspiracy theories, but, that ...I am leery of 9/11 conspiracy theories, but, that being said, I have no doubt that a second holocaust is coming that will make the first one look like a picnic in the park. I have written about this idea before - as you noted, many others are "selling" this. Some sell it as a matter of the New World Order or some-such, but I personally "sell" it as a matter of prophecy. <br /><br />We have indeed entered an era, whether planned out of just in the natural course of things, where America is no longer going to stand by Israel or by Jews. <br /><br />My degree is in philosophy, and what I see coming for America and the west is the pendulum reverse of the tolerance/multi-cultural thing. I call it a movement that advocates "radical conformity." I'm not sure whether it will take a secular or a "religious right" (Christian) form, but it is coming. <br /><br />I base this on several observations. Religious expression or affiliation is fast becoming simply not tolerated, people are tired of having every sort of "weird" clothing and custom and practice rammed down their throats. There was sometimes in the past year or so an article in Australia, I think it was, basically saying if muslims can't or won't dress and assimilate in the western way, they should leave and go somewhere else. <br /><br />That attitude is only a skip away from being applied to Jews, too. The fact that this article didn't get denounced strongly by the common people indicates which way the philosophical wind is blowing, so to speak. Once you filter out the protests from "the usual suspects," which people pretty much just ignore now, you see the way it's going to go. People don't want any more multi-culturalism, or tolerance. They want to be left alone. <br /><br />And I believe secular governments are tired, also, of being influenced by religious groups. You can see where this will lead, I'm sure. Once you have popular and government support removed, "never again" begins to look a lot more like the "final solution" to everyone's problems. If THOSE people left, everything would be fine, they'll think, subconsciously or otherwise. And the persecutions and harassment and violence will begin in earnest. Just wait and see.Ahavahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12795309173195607578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-66855420747593596572009-06-11T21:31:04.103+03:002009-06-11T21:31:04.103+03:00The link I provided only went into the first 20 mi...The link I provided only went into the first 20 minutes of the film. The main purpose of said blog is to debunk 9-11 Truth.<br /><br />So if I understand correctly, you find Jones's theory about Obama and a New World Order plausible and certainly a fair opinion, if not yet proven. In your view, "there was nothing about it that didn't make sense" and it is "quite plausible." (Do you have the same belief about 9-11 Truth and Facilitated Communication?) And you are "selling aliyah" because American Jews are in danger because of "Der Feuhrer Obama."Baruchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08051421355654178857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-66869806942812823572009-06-11T20:56:22.362+03:002009-06-11T20:56:22.362+03:00Baruch, LOY"T
Thank you for your comment. I ...Baruch, LOY"T<br /><br />Thank you for your comment. I must backtrack a bit and say that I outdid myself when I said that I buy it "lock, stock, and barrel". I did not anticipate readers to take it that literally. Thus, when I look at Jones' film, as would most people, I filter out what seems to be substantial and what is theatrics and what is pure conjecture (like tying in the Kennedy assasination or the subliminal allusion to 9/11). I actually wrote in my post that I don't necessarily buy that Bilderberg are sinister plotters. Yet, there is always the perpetual question: if they are sincerely solving poverty and civil strife, or even just playing poker, why all the secrecy and exclusivity? <br /><br />My overall assessment is based on the more substantial components of his documentary - predominately the statements from Obama, Emmanual, etc. uttered on camera in full view plus fishy things that I have been aware of from other sources besides Jones (with an emphasis on the FEMA concentration camps), plus just plain things that are going on, intuition, the wisdom of age, and historical precedence.<br /><br />In my eyes, the question is not is Jones' theory true (I have no conclusive opinion) but rather do I think that the American public in general and the Jews in particular have some serious things to worry about (with or without Jones)? Of the latter, I am convinced. <br /><br />I did glance at your link. He mostly addresses what anyway is the excess theatrics, not what I consider the substantial part. Secondly, his points leave much room for equal-time rebuttal so I do not really consider Jones to be either proven or debunked.<br /><br />For your last question - you posed it as what we here in Israel call a "mivchan Amerikai" which means multiple choice test - and my reponse is: None of the above.<br /><br />Regards to Atlanta or Florida or wherever you are - and don't be the last one out.<br /><br />Hatzlacha,<br /><br />YHYechezkel Hirshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18417734718880643428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7186734097245460670.post-62729682798453010322009-06-11T16:51:38.538+03:002009-06-11T16:51:38.538+03:00http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search?q=obam...http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search?q=obama+deception+debunked<br /><br />Since you brought up a movie produced by Alex Jones, I have to ask: out of curiosity Yechezkel, do you believe that the American government or Israel's government orchestrated 9-11?Baruchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08051421355654178857noreply@blogger.com