We are back to comparing notes with Zvi Gluck, director of Amudim, for his remarks on March 8, 2026. As I have mentioned, he does not look to be on the same page as I am and as is the Torah perspective that I present as the integral mission of One Above and Seven Below (Achas L’Maala V’Sheva L’Matta). I am attempting to clarify which of us is the misguided one.
In the previous two posts we were first seeking clarity about the significance of false allegations and then on his lack of presumption of innocence. After sending him two emails for this purpose, we received clarity on neither.
In this post, I want to cover the next two emails. In them, I wanted to get some clarity on his perspective of mesira, his stand on extradition from Eretz Yisrael, and the Jewish definition of "Justice".
The 3rd Email - Mesira
Reb Zvi Gluck, in his “educational” talk on March 8, 2026, makes a very bold statement (19:00):
The number one tool used to silence victims is the Torah
He may be correct. After all, for frum Jews, the number one tool to guide us in any task is supposed to the Torah. This should be seen as a great compliment. Alas, it doesn’t look like he meant it as a compliment. I inferred this from his inciteful choice of words, “to silence victims”. He is of the opinion that victims are not to be “silenced”. So, with his statement, he is making an indictment on using the Torah as a tool.
He could have been a lot more honest. He could have used more respectful and earnest terminology. He could have said, “The number one tool used to restrain victims from doing things that will cause more harm than good and doing things that they may later regret doing is the Torah”. But he chose otherwise for the sake of self-righteously making a spurious and callous indictment against people who are really yarei Shamayim and know what the Torah really says.
Where I come from, we call such spurious indictments motzi shem rah.
Of course, he is correct that the Torah is a tool and any tool can be misused. One needs to know how to use it and, in extreme cases, even, challila, read the instructions. Yes, indeed, the Torah is sometimes misused but, in my opinion, it is not misused nearly as much as he is implying nor as much as he is misusing it.
It goes the other direction. The purpose of the Torah is to protect people from being wrongly persecuted. There is no pirush of לא תעמוד על דם רעיך that is presented as a hetter to harm anybody, unless it is the ONLY way to save somebody. There is no place in the Torah where we can do anything that hurts another person whether financially, socially, or physically, without a din Torah and a psak din that allows it.
One thing I have witnessed repeatedly, is that this preposterous, open-ended, bogus, hetter to ignore the Torah, which Zvi Gluck not only advocates but also justifies by misrepresenting the words of Gedolim, is the number one “tool” used to create, support, and perpetuate false accusations and all the needless irreversible damage that they cause.
The Torah is our guide and we need to follow it faithfully. But, first, we need to know what it says. It seems that the 181 signatories of the celebrated Kol Koreh, including Rabbi Daniel Coren, missed a few sedarim in Yeshiva. To fill in the gaps, I wrote my post about Blood Labels almost exactly 11 years ago.
I also wrote for the public a 2-part post titled A Concise Guide to the Laws of Mesira (see Part 1 and Part 2). This was in 2017. Part 1 were several prerequisites before being able to permit to “lawful” mesira and it was called The 3 "P"s. Part 2 were mandatory conditions of actually carrying out this “lawful” mesira and it was called The 3 "C"s. I believe a brief review of The 3 "P"s will be very helpful at this time.
The 3 "P"s are three steps to implement so as to protect a real or potential victim. Only, they must only be done one at a time and in order. The 3 "P"s are:
1. Proximity – Keeping the abuser and the victim away from each other.
2. Publicity – Alerting the public that a certain person is a threat
3. Punishment – Applying forceful means to prevent an abuser from abusing which may include legal sanctions and incarceration.
As I emphasized at the time, our goal is protecting the victim. We are not allowed to punish or take nekama. If step 1 by itself gets the job done, there is no hetter to go any steps further. In many cases, step 2 needs to be added to step 1 to protect unwary individuals from becoming victims. In these cases, we can advance to step 2 and no further. Only in extreme cases where steps 1 and 2 are clearly not sufficient, can we advance to step 3. This is all explained in detail in its place.
It is imperative that any person who voluntarily takes on the mantle of being a Child Abuse Advocate must be in sync with the 3"P"s (and 3 "C"s). This includes people such as Reb Zvi Gluck.
All of this is expressed in the email that I sent to Zvi Gluck dated April 30, 2026. I asked him if he ever heard of the 3 Ps and 3 Cs in any type of variation. As usual, he refused to respond or to acknowledge it.
Here is the full text of the email:
Hello Reb Zvi, LOY"T
Shalom u'bracha
Once again, it is a pleasure to see how you eagerly acknowledge and respond to my emails. I feel like I am getting special treatment.
To move on, you stated in your presentation (19:00):
The number one tool used to silence victims is the Torah
I hate to tell you that the number one tool used by CSA advocates to overstep their boundaries and enact unwarranted mesira and prosecution and to deny accused people of their defense mechanisms is also the Torah.
This comes from implementing the exact same methods - misquoting Gedolim and teshuvos (such as Rav Elyashiv and Tzitz Eliezer) and modifying them for your goals.
Yep, כמים פנים אל פנים, this corrupt world is a two-way street. And there is corruption on both sides of the equation.
So, I need to know if you really have a grasp on the Halachos of rodef, lo taamod, and mesira. As such, I implore you to read these two posts and to spell out to me, what, if anything you do not agree with (and why?).
I maintain that if one cannot relate to the 3 Ps and 3 Cs, he is not qualified for your line of work.
It sadly looks like you have entrenched yourself into the left-wing secular-minded camp together with other secular minded Jews such as David Stav and the RCANZ who believe that our Torah - as written with no misquotes - is expendable, not the right path, and need not be obeyed. According to them and you, anybody who calls themselves a victim, is a verified victim, and is automatically believed, no questions asked, and anyone who is accused is automatically not to be believed and must be silenced. The "Torah" says so.
Tell this to the fellow you grew up with. (I did not see this in the Tzitz Eliezer.)
Please tell me if I am correct or not.
Once again awaiting your prompt response.
Hatzlacha rabba v’kol tuv, sela.
Very sincerely yours,
Yechezkel Hirshman
To Reb Zvi Gluck who claims to know something about what it says in the Torah, I have one last question:
Reb Zvi Gluck, have you once in your life opened up Choshen Mishpat 388 and studied the entire siman? Have you once in your life actually studied Sanhedrin 73a? (I don’t mean Daf Yomi, I mean learned it for real.) How about Rambam Hilchos Rotzeach 1:12,13?
It doesn’t look very likely to me.
The 4th Email – Extradition and the Jewish meaning of Justice
Zvi Gluck’s presentation on March 8, 2026 was given as a call of support to Nicole Meyer. This means to say that he fully supports Nicole’s actions and has no problems with them.
- He has no uncertainty about the possibility of a false allegation.
- He has no doubts about her status of guilt.
- He has no qualms about being moser another Jew to non-Jewish authorities for punishment.
- And, evidently, he is also in full support of extraditing Jews outside of Eretz Yisroel.
- He also subscribes to the mistaken belief that in Judaism, punishment is what is called “justice” just like in the secular world.
עובד כל העבודה זרות.
So I thought I should ask him. On May 3, 2026, I sent him another email. Here it is in full:
Hello Reb Zvi, LOY”T
Shalom u’bracha.
It looks like we are on a roll with our mutual dialog.
Let’s just move on and we’ll keep this one short. Two quick questions:
1. Here is a statement – It is strictly forbidden in Halacha to extradite a Jew out of Eretz Yisrael to any other land under any circumstances whatsoever.
Do you agree or disagree?
If you are uncertain about this please see all the attached mareh mekomos and teshuvos.
2. Are you aware that in Judaism – which you claim to practice – the term “justice” (צדק) does not apply to any form of criminal prosecution, imprisonment or corporal punishment? It means paying compensation.
Agree or disagree?
Note – If you have trouble with this concept, please see Bava Kamma 83b and what I wrote in this post (HERE).
Once again awaiting your prompt response.
Hatzlacha rabba v’kol tuv, sela.
Very sincerely yours,
Yechezkel Hirshman
Please note - This correspondence and all responses and subsequent ones are not confidential. You may show them to whoever you like and I may do the same including discussing them on my blog if the need arises.
You can bet that I attached a number of mareh mekomos and teshuvos.
Once again, no response and no acknowledgement. One cannot have dialog with these people.
The final email was the Shevet Dan email. מאסף כל המחנות. The caboose on the freight train.
We’ll check it out next, G-d willing.

